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glowdart
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« Reply #11880 on: April 18, 2012, 6:36:46 pm »

Does anyone think it is "fishy" that they didn't start looking until mid-spring (posted during my spring break)?  I can't help but think it's a sign of something wrong there.  If anyone has suggestions for questions to ask them that would help me find any problems with the university, I would appreciate it.  

I don't think it's fishy, but that might just be me.  It could be that they're replacing someone who didn't make tenure, left for another job or retired and announced it late.  Or, it could be that they were waiting for fall 2012 tuition deposits to approve the hire.  Or, they were waiting on the state legislature or some other budgeting agency.  Or, another department had a failed search and the line was redistributed.  Or an alum endowed a chair/ line and thus a TT line is open. 

You could always just ask about the history of the line. 
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« Reply #11881 on: April 18, 2012, 6:39:08 pm »

When, a few years ago, the only well-qualified person in one very popular sub-field died unexpectedly in December, we managed to persuade the Dean to let us run a search in the spring (but it took until February to get everything approved to run the ad . . . and to e-mail a zillion friends elsewhere looking asking them to tell people about the opening).

Though in this budget picture, it doesn't have to be that drastic. I'm pretty sure two or three departments in the College of Arts and Sciences in my large university this year have been permission to hire this spring after another department or two had failed searches: this would not have happened five years ago (the Dean would have saved the line for the failed-search department to add to its searches next year) but the panic of "if the money isn't all spent/promised by June 30 it will go away never to come back" has struck.

I hope it works for you!
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« Reply #11882 on: April 18, 2012, 7:06:12 pm »

Does anyone think it is "fishy" that they didn't start looking until mid-spring (posted during my spring break)?  I can't help but think it's a sign of something wrong there.  If anyone has suggestions for questions to ask them that would help me find any problems with the university, I would appreciate it.  

I don't think it's fishy, but that might just be me.  It could be that they're replacing someone who didn't make tenure, left for another job or retired and announced it late.  Or, it could be that they were waiting for fall 2012 tuition deposits to approve the hire.  Or, they were waiting on the state legislature or some other budgeting agency.  Or, another department had a failed search and the line was redistributed.  Or an alum endowed a chair/ line and thus a TT line is open. 

You could always just ask about the history of the line. 

I agree: institutions who do not lose tenure lines when someone resigns sometimes have discretion to begin hiring to replace someone who left/died immediately. So, a search done this late in spring is not necessarily fishy. There is nothing wrong in asking about the history of the line.
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« Reply #11883 on: April 18, 2012, 10:20:35 pm »

Well, after trying to get a higher ed. teaching position for a year now, I decided I better start applying for high school teaching positions again after a year of not teaching high school. Thus far, every district I have applied to has turned me down without even an interview. It looks very clear to me that no one wants me to be a teacher, not at the high school level, and not at the post-secondary level. I think the writing is on the wall and I really need to find a new career. I wish I knew what the hell I wanted to do besides teach. I've got over 30 years of work ahead of me yet, and no idea what I want to do with all those years.
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« Reply #11884 on: April 19, 2012, 1:30:23 am »

I've also tried applying to a few high school jobs this year.  These were private schools of the sort that are eager to hire PhDs.  No interest at all.
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« Reply #11885 on: April 19, 2012, 9:34:50 am »

Well, after trying to get a higher ed. teaching position for a year now, I decided I better start applying for high school teaching positions again after a year of not teaching high school. Thus far, every district I have applied to has turned me down without even an interview. It looks very clear to me that no one wants me to be a teacher, not at the high school level, and not at the post-secondary level. I think the writing is on the wall and I really need to find a new career. I wish I knew what the hell I wanted to do besides teach. I've got over 30 years of work ahead of me yet, and no idea what I want to do with all those years.

ejb - I sympathize with you. It took me four years of applying to get in full time, and my situation isn't exactly what I'd hoped for! I was able to adjunct through it, to beef up my experience and make contacts, and i think that helped. (I was also stuck in a soul killing, non-teaching, dead end "financial" "services" job.) I don't know where you live, but in my state, we've had public school teacher lay offs, so that's not the easiest road either.
It's not you. It's really tough out there. i hope things look up for you soon.
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« Reply #11886 on: April 20, 2012, 8:32:03 am »

Phone interview scheduled!!!
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« Reply #11887 on: April 20, 2012, 8:32:31 am »

Phone interview scheduled!!!

Yay!
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« Reply #11888 on: April 20, 2012, 8:56:30 am »

Phone interview scheduled!!!

Good luck!  I think all the spring activity on this thread over the past few months is a strong reminder to keep on applying as the late-release job ads come out.
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« Reply #11889 on: April 20, 2012, 10:57:03 am »

Phone interview scheduled!!!
Wow, there's still life out there...
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« Reply #11890 on: April 20, 2012, 11:25:46 am »

Phone interview scheduled!!!

Fingers crossed!
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« Reply #11891 on: April 22, 2012, 1:56:06 am »

I'm still waiting to hear - 5+ weeks after campus interview.  Haven't quite given up hope, but have made lots of plans at the old job.  Spouse and I debate pros and cons of optimism on a daily basis.
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« Reply #11892 on: April 22, 2012, 1:55:37 pm »

I really like the idea of everyone here beginning a position acceptance with:

"In the name of the CHE Fora, I accept this position!"

I also love this idea. Or perhaps: "Vengeance is mine! sayeth the fora." Cause that wouldn't make them retract the offer or anything.

I've been away for a while, having no news, and am back with still no news. I had my campus interview last week and I think it went well, but now just have to wait, of course. No news on my other fronts either. So I will continue to sit on my hands and/or distract myself with grading, I guess. Ugh. I would so love to know where I'll be living four months from now.

Congrats to petunia, doctorladybug, and data; sorry for the bad news ejb, scion and zyzzx. Hang in there, gang.
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« Reply #11893 on: April 24, 2012, 10:22:09 am »

Well, that was a waste of my time.  I went on an interview for an "assistant professor" position only to find out it was a non-tenure track assistant prof position (not mentioned in the advertisement).  Not only that, they were instructed to NOT tell me it wasn't tenure track unless I specifically asked.  Sketchy?  Heck yes.  I could get over it if it was a miscommunication, but it seems they were intentionally trying to be misleading to get a better candidate pool.
Sigh. 
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« Reply #11894 on: April 24, 2012, 10:34:26 am »

Wow, Doctorladybug, that's ridiculous. I'm sorry you wasted your time.
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