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mountainguy
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« on: April 18, 2012, 11:27:08 am »

Grrrrrr.  Against my better judgment, I'm allowing students to retake an online quiz they all did poorly on. The CMS will automatically average the new score with the old score. So far, I've had emails two students best summarized as "but what haaaaaaapens if my new score is lowwwwwwer?? That won't be faaaaaaair!"

No real advice needed here; I'm just venting.
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 12:01:36 pm »

I can just hear the whining, Mountainguy.

I can contribute two good yet punished deeds:

Earlier this week, I reduced the reading assignment for today's class. I notified students via email and CMS. Instead of thanks, I get complaints: "But I read the whooooole thiiiiing!" Never mind that that means they're ahead for the next class's reading. It's just not fair.

I gave students two options for the next assignment; they get to pick one. "But I thought we had to do both! I did all that extra work! You won't grade both?"
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 12:10:36 pm »

Hearing that a new chair was struggling with a complex task that I have done for my department for many years, I offered help through a third party. 

Phone call:  "So did you offer help because you think I'm incompetent?"

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 12:27:05 pm »

Hearing that a new chair was struggling with a complex task that I have done for my department for many years, I offered help through a third party.  

Phone call:  "So did you offer help because you think I'm incompetent?"

<sigh>

Ouch.  Two things do come to mind - your chair is stressed and feeling incompetent, thus the defensiveness AND/OR third party phrased things very poorly (deliberately?  only you might know) when relaying your offer.  Next time, make the offer in person.

MG, do they HAVE to retake the quiz?  If not, tell them to just sit pat with the current score if they're worried getting about a lower one.  Or, you could point out that actually studying before taking it should automatically prevent a lower score.  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 12:48:35 pm »

I'm feeling good in this, my second to last week of full time teaching, and am NSTFU and have turned into Mr Laxity.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 1:49:09 pm »

"Then work to make sure your do-over score is higher. Of course, we can just keep the original low score. You don't have to take advantage of your second chance. It's your decision."
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 2:25:42 pm »

Grrrrrr.  Against my better judgment, I'm allowing students to retake an online quiz they all did poorly on. The CMS will automatically average the new score with the old score. So far, I've had emails two students best summarized as "but what haaaaaaapens if my new score is lowwwwwwer?? That won't be faaaaaaair!"  No real advice needed here; I'm just venting.

Somehow this cleared up for me that our students think the word "fair" means 'things working out in their favor'. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 3:09:57 pm »

"Don't retake this test unless you study some more or your grade probably will be lower."
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 3:46:58 pm »

I'm afraid I'm at fault on this one. I let my students take the online quizzes an unlimited number of times and only the highest score counts. (They are low point value and intended as practice for the exam, so I like to encourage them to try again and again with no risk).
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 4:43:44 pm »

1) In high school, etc., they have been taught that 'fairness' is to be expected, and their parents have reinforced this demand with appropriate pressure on teachers and adminiscritters.

2)WRT that chair, perhaps he IS incompetent...
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 5:03:07 pm »

Wait, OP gave his/her students the option of retaking the test if they wished to redeem themselves.  S/he was being totally nice!  Their reaction is completely inappropriate...

I have one, too.  A colleague was up for tenure and I didn't really need more publications because I had just been promoted.  So, I told her that I would put her name on my manuscript, which was in the revise-and-resubmit phase (in an attempt to justify her authorship, I gave her the manuscript to proofread and edit).  The manuscript was accepted with this colleague being the 2nd author.

She sat in my office and told me that she was disappointed in me because I "took" the first authorship and that I had misled her.  Uh, your name wouldn't have been there AT ALL, and I did you a favor, remember??????  Did you really expect to be the first author when all you did was proofread?


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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 5:23:14 pm »

Grrrrrr.  Against my better judgment, I'm allowing students to retake an online quiz they all did poorly on. The CMS will automatically average the new score with the old score. So far, I've had emails two students best summarized as "but what haaaaaaapens if my new score is lowwwwwwer?? That won't be faaaaaaair!"

No real advice needed here; I'm just venting.


Can the CMS be set to automatically record the highest grade from multiple attempts?  Both Sakai and Moodle has the option I think.  Not sure about Blackboard. 

But yes, grumbling is a common response to my actions of generosity near the end of the term.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 9:53:19 am »

If you give an inch, they take a mile...
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 12:18:52 pm »

Wait, OP gave his/her students the option of retaking the test if they wished to redeem themselves.  S/he was being totally nice!  Their reaction is completely inappropriate...

I have one, too.  A colleague was up for tenure and I didn't really need more publications because I had just been promoted.  So, I told her that I would put her name on my manuscript, which was in the revise-and-resubmit phase (in an attempt to justify her authorship, I gave her the manuscript to proofread and edit).  The manuscript was accepted with this colleague being the 2nd author.

She sat in my office and told me that she was disappointed in me because I "took" the first authorship and that I had misled her.  Uh, your name wouldn't have been there AT ALL, and I did you a favor, remember??????  Did you really expect to be the first author when all you did was proofread?




I hope that you told her that.  And then hopefully, there have been enough of these sort of tantrums that she will be denied tenure for lack of collegiality. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 12:49:07 pm »

Great thread! I have colleagues who take 2-3 weeks (normally; sometimes more...) to grade an essay and get it back to students. I grade mine within 1 week (sometimes within 1 class period!) and in 11 years of teaching have never (ever) had anyone thank me.

Well, at least the only things they can vent about me on RMP is how harsh I grade or how mean I am...
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