Look, I'll be honest: whenever I hear about "300 years of slavery and subjugation," I want to say "talk to the Irish."
This was the post that started it, sockgumbee. It was obvious to me what Dr. Stones meant, but I can see where you might be confused. He wasn't saying there was a direct relationship between these groups; he was saying that some groups (like the Irish) have suffered as bad or worse, and they are groups you might not expect. Kind of a reminder that you don't have to be one of those more easily identifiable minorities to have a personal history of being subjugated.
Well you know I'd be cool with all these if y'all could talk about the abjection of other groups in the same way that I can talk about Irish issues. But you can't, because it's all about how if whites can pick themselves up why can't other groups.
OK, well, family history. To be honest, it's just as personal as, say, African-Americans who demand reparations. I've always felt that, although we are all a product of our history, it's up to us to rise above it. That having been said, it's important to recognize all the subtle and not-so-subtle power struggles between groups (and not just the ones that grab the headlines).
Is that more satisfactory?
Would it be more or less personal if we talked about African-Americans that just want a decent grocery store in their neighborhood?
Would it be more or less personal than driving while brown?
Would it be more or less personal than not feeding the Anglophile trolls who seems to like to hang out in the diversity thread and impose their love.
I like how the Irish are continually trotted out as the "ideal" minority. If they can do it, any one can. What about the Poles? They have a history of being invaded again and again for at least as long as the Irish were subjugated by the English. And many of them are Catholic although unfortunately some are antisemitic. What about the Kurds? What about the Koreans? Ever wonder why some of them hate the Japanese? What about . . .
Oh, right they
a. aren't from the British Isles
b. don't have a cool accent
c. U2 & Bono-nuff said.
d. don't show Masterpiece Theater renditions of their literature
e. don't make a good example of liberal politics to ignorant undergrads that can be used in stories later to show cool and tolerance and diversity cred.
Family history? I thought you said you weren't Irish you just studied their history. Did Dr. Stones convert you?
Well this was fun. Look me up some time if you want to learn about the history of Native Americans or Latiina/o. You might, um learn something.
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