A Conversation With Michael Clune
Recently, the Case Western English professor Michael Clune took to our pages to offer a précis of some of the ideas in his new book, A Defense of Judgment, out last month from the University of Chicago Press. Professors of literary studies, art history, and related fields, Clune says, have gotten mixed up about the real nature of their expertise: They are aesthetic, not moral, educators. I spoke with Clune about his essay and his book. Here’s some of that conversation.
Some commentators appeared to think you were arguing that criticism or arts education can’t address topics of morality, or discuss moral content in works of art.
There’s really just one mode of moral education that I think is incompatible with aesthetic education, and that is the tendency to use literary works to exemplify good moral attitudes. It would be insane to suggest that aesthetic education would somehow be capable of bracketing moral questions. It’s just that, when we’re doing aesthetic education, we are entering into the work with negative capability — with the possibility of learning something new — as opposed to going into the work saying, “I have these moral attitudes or views, and I’m going to use the work to exemplify them to my students.”
And there may well be downstream effects, for students’ moral outlooks — they’re just not programmatic or highly predictable.
That’s right. I’ve gotten a number of responses that suggest that the ethics of close reading and negative capability have moral effects. I’m hesitant to make a big claim about that — to say that encountering these texts will make you a better person in X, Y, and Z ways, because I think the enterprise involves not knowing where that work will take you.
With your second academic book, Writing Against Time (2013), you became one of the more influential literature professors associated with what’s sometimes called the “aesthetic turn” — a “turn” whose leading figure is probably Sianne Ngai. A Defense of Judgment both draws on and quarrels with Ngai.
Like many others, I’ve been really inspired by Sianne’s broadening of our sense of the aesthetic, her moving us beyond a kind of Kantian commitment to beauty or sublimity. I go in a different direction by exploring the relation of judgment to education, and by being honest about the conflict between judgment and the dogmatic egalitarianism of commercial culture. Sianne has an interest in the political effects of literature, expanding on figures like Adorno. I’m interested in how literary educators cultivate a different mode of receptivity to art, and I distinguish between consumer preference and the kind of transformative receptivity created in literature classes. I’ve criticized Sianne’s work for imagining that there are ways of doing aesthetic judgment that don’t offend dogmatic egalitarianism. Our work does offend it, and we should embrace that offense. The political effects of our practice derive from it, as I try to show.
Hannah Walser, in our pages, recently suggested that literary critics should learn to argue better. The moralization of argument wasn’t her sole focus, though it was touched on.
Hannah’s essay was fabulous. The moralization of argument is ubiquitous and, as she describes, it often takes the form of this suspicion: “Let me find some cues that may associate this person with something evil.” I was amused when a friend told me that someone on social media had responded to my questioning the moral authority of English professors by calling my argument “evil.” The best antidote to that kind of thing, as Hannah shows, is describing what good, solid, disciplinary practice looks like. When I was working with folks in a neuroscience lab, they were not afraid to say, “This is wrong, there’s no evidence for this claim.” You could have a respectful exchange not characterized by hypermoralistic surveillance.
I don’t think English professors are particularly distinguished morally. They do know a lot about literature.